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Martin Freimüller | Octavia C.'s avatar

Thanks for another great piece, Joe! Unsurprisingly, I respectfully disagree. 🇰🇪

So many thoughts, but let me try just shoot a few rapid-fire facts through.

1) Clean energy in the US is massively supply-constrained: e.g., the US built only 222 miles of high-voltage transmission in 2024 despite clear demand & policy signals, so pretending that clean energy abundance everywhere is around the corner is probably misconceived. That solar plant a DAC player might sign a PPA with would likely get built anyway, and would probably go further reducing, vs. removing emissions.

2) I disagree that 1 TWh is 'small'. On a grid that still has coal (e.g., Louisiana), that same clean energy could have been used to retire a coal plant. 1 TWh of coal = ~1 MT of CO2 = roughly the annual emissions of my home town, Nairobi.

3) Scaling DAC will need 1000s of TWh of 24/7 clean energy + not all places have the same endowment for this + DAC is a highly location-specific industry. DAC's performance varies a lot with humidity, temperature, precipitation, etc., so building it today where it doesn't make much sense to scale it significantly limits our learning rate.

4) Treating clean energy as an afterthought to DAC deployment creates severe quality issues for our industry's only product - i.e., supposedly very high-quality carbon credits. Unless DAC power needs are matched with 24/7 clean energy (which few places have in excess), we don't have the atmospheric impact we claim, which seriously risks the social license we need to scale.

Ultimately, all DAC deployment is a good thing, but at least as far as the very limited pool of price-insensitive CDR demand is concerned, I think we shouldn't paint a false dichotomy. It's not a question of "to do DAC today you have to be pragmatic about clean energy", but there are actually DAC companies that are both in the field AND have their clean energy sorted out. Buyers would be right to prioritise those. Those Octavia folks seem to be doing a good job, for example. 🙂

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Ryan Davidson's avatar

I like the premise that we can use around 1 TWh annually to see how a few early commercial DAC plants scale up. What scares me a bit more is powering a mature DAC industry. Assuming we improve energy efficiency, we might still be looking at 500-1,000 TWh per billion tons of removal, which is far from trivial. At the same time, renewable energy technologies are only getting cheaper, so ideally DAC developers can finance renewable energy projects specifically for their needs without pricing out their buyers! Either way, I guess this just means the bottleneck won't be energy demand, but CDR demand, as usual...

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